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Southern Railway 13 Ton 5-Plank
Open Merchandise Wagon No.12058


In 2007 the Bulleid Society agreed to part-sponsor the materials to restore SR 12058 as, being built in January 1946, it is a ‘Bulleid-era’ wagon. Work has been proceeding towards its restoration since 2005, despite several setbacks and the vehicle being placed in inaccessible locations. In late February 2011 the underframe was rerailed and work now continues on the vehicle in earnest.

January 2022

12058 with floor fixed down - January 2022
SR Bulleid Open Wagon 12058 has been progressing rapidly towards the finishing line. For the first time since possibly March 1975, 12058 has got wood fitted to it. Thanks to Richard for machining up all the timber, the team were able to fit the floor and drill the holes for the floor bolts. Where there are rivets and bolt heads on the underframe, we have had to carve out holes in the floor packers and floor boards so that they fit correctly (as per photo of Matt working on one of the packing pieces below).

You will recall that this wagon was built originally with thinner english hardwood planking due to the difficulty in obtaining the normal softwood due to wartime conditions. Thus the floor is spaced off the underframe using inch-thick packers.

Now, our floor is made from Iroko which has very similar similarities to teak in that it is very water resistant, however considering the cost of the timber we have decided to treat the holes, ends of the timbers and floor packers with an epoxy resin. This will ensure a good long life in the timbers and prevent water rotting the wood. We found some Iroko on 62002 from its overhaul in 2002 and it was like new. Hopefully the floor in 12058 will last longer with the additional protection.

The (unpainted) sides are much more visible, so it's been concluded that Iroko is not appropriate here, and a source of oak has been identified.

Matt cutting rebate for rivet head - 3 January 2022 Resin-coated packers - 3 January 2022 Laying floor - 3 January 2022

Drawing showing additional flange required on door-pillar bottom bracket




Matt has been busy on the Milling Machine making some new brackets for the diagonal straps to bolt onto, which is seen in this drawing. Once they have been machined up, they will be welded into position on the door-pillar brackets, as seen prepared for the weld below.

A third door hinge has been started by Laurie and is waiting final welding up.

Milling the bracket extensions - January 2022 Brackets prepped for weld - 3 January 2022

November 2019

Resin wagon plate and latex mould for 12058 - Richard Salmon During the site clearance for and construction of the massive "OP4" sheds at Horsted Keynes, there was no working space for the project, which therefore halted. With the relaying of the yard in early 2019 work could recommence in earnest. In the intervening time the frames were frequently moved about, and this had taken its toll on the integrity of the paint applied some years ago. But during the year a new team has come together and work on the project has picked up rapidly where it was left off.

One task undertaken in the interim was the manufacture of a pair of glass-fibre reinforced resin "D" plates for the wagon, and on the right is seen the latex mould and a plate.

The underframe has changed colour many times this year but it is now a lot better looking than it was at the beginning of the year! It is currently waiting to be lifted back onto its wheelsets so further work can be carried out. The Bulleid Society have been kind enough to fund the material cost of restoration work to this wagon and we are grateful that they have done so.

The Wagon Gang has slowly been rekindled over the past year and is looking for new volunteers to help join them restore and look after the wagon fleet. We hope to bring back Goods Trains in 2020 and hopefully 12058 will be joining the set. If you are interested in joining the gang please contact Laurie or David Rhydderch.

The first photo below shows the wagon at the start of this year, and the second was taken in early November (both Laurie Anderson).

12058 wagon at the start of 2019 - Laurie Anderson 12058 progress - Laurie Anderson - 6 November 2019

February 2013

2012 saw a great deal of progress on and off the wagon. Tom Simcock and Martin Skrzetuszewski visited the Kent and East Sussex Railway by arrangement, to measure up a similar SR wagon that they have in their collection. This visit was necessary as, although we have general arrangement drawings for the wagon, the sizes of many components and hole spacings etc. are not marked on these GA drawings. The visit was very fruitful and a lengthy "chin-wag" with K&ESR C&W volunteers was enjoyed afterwards.

Material was ordered to replace the missing sections of bracket on the under frame; these brackets being the mountings for the door and door pillars. The Tuesday Gang bent up the new bracket sections to shape and welded them onto the existing stubs.

12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski



Eddie Carter heats up one of the door pillar brackets. This has previously been part-bent to shape in the hydraulic press, but now is being bent to a right-angle.

12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski



When the bend is hot enough, Andrew Breese hammers the material to shape.

12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski



Doug Peskett then checks the bracket for square-ness.

12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski 12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski 12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski 12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski 12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski

This is the second bend going in. The material is heated to red heat in the respective area before being bent.

12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski



The finished article.

12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski



The edges of the door pillar brackets have been prepared for welding on by being ground at an angle.

12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski



The centre brackets are lighter and a different shape to the other two. Having previously had the first right-angled bend formed in them, the second angle is being formed by hand (with the assistance of oxy-propane and a stilson wrench!).

12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski



The finished article.

12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski 12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski 12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski 12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski 12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski

The bracket sections are welded on after the existing stubs have been ground to prepare them for welding. Some minor adjustments had to be made on a couple of them to fit perfectly. Here are the Tuesday Gang in action tackling the job - Eddie Carter on gas (not shown), Andrew Breese on gas and welding with Alan Wood and Doug Peskett on fitting and adjustment.

12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski



Andrew welded the brackets on down-hand. The underside of the welds was finished by Bluebell apprentice James Parker. Unfortunately, due to a misunderstanding (no one's fault in particular - these things sometimes occur) the underside of the top welds still needed to be completed but, to date, when the opportunity to complete the job has presented itself, the weather has prevented us from doing so. Even a light rainfall prevents the welder from seeing the job clearly through the visor - Roll on Spring!!!

12058 - February 2013 - Martin Skrzetuszewski



Inside the shed, armed with a drawing and dimensions from the K&ESR wagon, Eddie Carter and apprentice James Parker have welded extensions on to the existing end tees.

April 2011

A refurbished drawbar was fitted to the south end by Paul Hailes and Martin Skrzetuszewski, and 12058 was later moved to a spot outside the paint shop.

12058 - April 2011 - Martin Skrzetuszewski



The Eastleigh modifications involved removing several rivets, welding a plate in the drawbar slot in the headstock and drilling new fixing holes. These have been progressively undone, resulting in what is seen here. The two pairs of three holes are for rivets, the top ones having unfortunately been opened out to a larger size. The hole for the drawplate has been opened up but still needs some work.

12058 - April 2011 - Martin Skrzetuszewski



The new drawplate is shown here test fitted. The holes were drilled using the small radial drill at Horsted Keynes. One of the ex-Palvan drawbars has been fitted, the drawbar collar having been cut down to fit using the workshop’s mechanical hacksaw.

12058 - April 2011 - Martin Skrzetuszewski



When the wheelsets were changed on 12058 it was hoped that two of the original RCH type axle boxes could be recovered and reused. The seal between top and bottom was made by a felt strip, which fitted into a lip on each half of the axle-box. The lips were prone to damage, and very few survive intact. This one is OK.

12058 - April 2011 - Martin Skrzetuszewski



It turned out that the RCH axlebox at the south-east corner was not watertight, so Paul and Mark Hailes changed this one for a BR pattern one.

March 2011

The drawgear was removed from the Palvan underframe by Tom Simcock and the steel components were grit-blasted and painted by Robert Macmillan and Ray Tanner.

The buffer rods and components were cleaned up and painted (where appropriate) by Robert, Ray, David Chappell and Martin Skrzetuszewski.

12058 - March 2011 - Martin Skrzetuszewski



A drawbar, nut and collar after grit-blasting. In the background leaning against the wall are end tees for GW 87782 and 12058. On the floor are two buffer castings for GW 87782.

12058 - March 2011 - Martin Skrzetuszewski



The two drawbars after painting. In the background is the BR1 bogie on S16210.

12058 - March 2011 - Martin Skrzetuszewski



12058 in the C&W Works F-road, having been fitted with the refurbished buffing gear. The south end drawbar seen here sustained damage at Eastleigh, and will be replaced in due course.

February 2011

12058 - Feb 2011 - Martin Skrzetuszewski

12058 was rerailed yet again in late February and placed on F-road, which is a very tight working space. The buffing gear was removed from the Palvan underframe by Robert Macmillan and Martin Skrzetuszewski.

The damaged end stanchions were straightened and repaired by Eddie Carter and his colleague Doug Peskett.

Two of the four buffer rods, as removed from the Palvan underframe, can be seen in the photo on the right.


The underframe of 12058 was rerailed and the damaged end tees were removed for straightening by volunteers.

The Palvan reached the south end of the yard at Horsted Keynes.

Copies of SR mechanical drawings for 12058 were supplied by Martin Allen in May.

In June the Palvan made it to the carriage works and its body was removed prior to the recovery of the buffing and drawgear. However, both it and 12058 were then derailed to make room for the 50th Anniversary displays in the down yard at HK.


Still no sign of the Palvan (the source of replacement buffing gear for 12058) and no sign of any repairs happening to the end tees of 12058. At the end of the year, at our instigation, an agreement was reached with the manager under which we would repair the damaged tees and the underframe would be rerailed in the new year.


In May/June 2008 the wagon gang had been tasked with the overhaul of LMS medium goods wagon 474558. As this wagon had been withdrawn from the engineering fleet and was now designated as a heritage wagon, it was agreed that it would be reverted to its original condition. Part of this process involved replacing the present BR self-contained buffers with 13 inch diameter spindle buffers with rubber recoil sets. It was intended that these would be removed from a BR Palvan that was allegedly being emptied at Sheffield Park and would shortly be worked up to HK for dismantling.

We were informed that the van’s arrival would definitely be within a fortnight, so we decided to remove the buffing gear from SR 12058 and fit it to LMS 474558, replacing it with that from the Palvan. Needless to say, the van did not arrive within a fortnight: in fact it took some 18 months to get to Horsted Keynes! In the meantime it was found necessary to derail 12058 and, in a subsequent move by paid staff, the tees at one end were severely damaged due to misuse of the Loadall. We were told that they would be repaired.

On the positive side, a replacement drawplate for 12058 was made (courtesy of the Bulleid Society) for the north end, where the original had been removed during the Eastleigh Works conversion. The original was a forging but the replacement was made, through necessity, from steel plate, commercially cut to size and shape. The components were welded together by Steve Rogers as a volunteer job.


Once the underframe was back on the rails, giving access to the arc welding set, many of the extraneous holes drilled or cut into the underframe at Eastleigh during the adaptor wagon conversion were welded up. A set of four buffer rods with 13 inch diameter heads, and two sets of rubber springs, were fitted. These were removed from an SR open wagon purchased for spares from Bristol Docks in 1981 by Martin Cresswell.

December 2006

12058 - 14 Dec 2006 - Richard Salmon



The overhaul of the underframe is now pretty well advanced, and the steelwork being made for the body of the wagon is starting to be erected.

July 2006

12058 - July 2006 - Richard Salmon



Work continues on the brake gear and steelwork for the reconstruction of the body.

March 2006

Following the arrival of this wagon underframe from Eastleigh Works, all the internal user modifications were removed. The two missing RCH pattern buffer castings were replaced using two suitable spares that wre on site. The open-spoke wheelsets were swapped for two of the correct disc pattern (standard by the time this wagon was built) using one of the portable A-frame hoists and the ever-versatile JCB Loadall.

Bulleid Society members, taking time off from working on 34059, have made significant progress on needle-gunning and painting the underframe and running gear of the wagon, using paint funded by the Society. However, progress came to a temporary halt in December when it became necessary to chip the ice off the underframe before work could commence!


Before and after... A new door pillar made from a SR bogie component. Little is wasted, as the brackets are saved to be used on other SECR wagons.

During the autumn the handbrake pushrods were overhauled and refitted, the rotten and split timber packing pieces being replaced with new. Four suitable second-hand end tee irons were identified on site at Horsted Keynes. These were gas-cut and ground to the correct profile and will be ready for fitting shortly. Four lengths of steel angle from scrapped SR coach bogies were also identified on site; these have been sawn to length, gas cut to rough size and profile and ground to the finished profile. After drilling, and the fitting a door securing post, these will also be ready to fit. There is still some work left on the underframe before these components can be attached. Several missing rivets (removed as part of the Eastleigh modifications) have to be re-fitted and some redundant holes (from the same) have to be welded up.

July 2005


The underframe of 12058, having had internal-user modifications removed. Richard Salmon

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